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Post by irvsp on Oct 18, 2017 21:13:04 GMT
I guess I never learn nor keep a record of what I had to do with the last major release but I've had some 'minor' problems after the install today of V. 1709. As soon as it came up I scoured the settings. Surprised to see some on, like INK or the TABLET settings that I didn't need. Problems I've uncovered (and will probably uncover more): - Sound Drivers just wrong!!! This is a Dell XPS 8700, about 3 years old. Dell DOESN'T update these driver other than for the INITIAL W10 release long ago. Device Manager indicated that MS drivers are installed. Having a problem locating the proper drivers I have/had. Seems the drivers are still there and all the D/L's I can find either report a newer version is installed and stop or say the present version is installed and stop. This is causing volume and sound itself issues in some applications.
- Related to the above Dell's MaxxAudio seems to be partially working? Some pulldowns are blank and I can't adjust the sound basically. Neither the mixer here or in the sound app itself works well?
- Another Dell driver problem, the Card Reader. Dell has a few of these and although they work, it isn't the way they worked before the update. That is a 6-in-1 (actually 19 but slots are shared) card reader. Before those slots were labeled E:-J:. Once W10 booted, there was NONE of those drives should in File Explorer. However if I inserted a card into the slot it would be assigned E: (1st letter after the physical D: partition on one of my hard drives). If I used any slow individually it would make them all E:. If I had 2 different card types in then the 2nd would be F:. Not what I wanted. I loaded one of Dell's drivers and it then showed E: and F:... took another one and loaded it and I saw E:-G: and I:? Can't get all 6 back now?
- I have a 'fix' to remove the arrows from Desktop shortcuts. Found the Registry fix, entered it, closed the registry and they were gone. Great! Re-booted and there was a large black square on the lower left of the icon's where the arrows were. Took the KEY out of the registry and rebooted. Back to the arrows, but then I used UWT (Ultimate Windows Tweaker 4) that does it too, and that works and survives booting.
I'm pretty sure I'll discover more, and probably more once my wife Updates, similar systems but who can be sure what will happen?
EDIT: Found another. Keep getting asked for my HP Wireless Printer 7525 CD to be put in, says the install isn't complete? Printer works fine though?
I really find it hard to believe that with all the testing by 'normal users' as Insider's that NONE had hit this problem? Dell systems are quite common.
Of course MS is know to 'do what they want' and 'sneak in' extra stuff on a release that no one had seen or tested. Probably too soon to see hits on the web about the above problems I guess. I'm might just try the MS forums, but I've never had luck there other than others saying they have the same problem.
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Post by Admin_Vistamike on Oct 19, 2017 13:37:15 GMT
Hi Irv, I also have experienced some problems too (I'm running WIN 10 pro 64 Insider). They are most 'irritating' and that is being mega polite! What I dislike about these updates is Microsoft ignoring my privacy settings and resetting them to MS defaults. How is the privacy option working then? On my Lenovo laptop, my sound drivers are restored to MS, this laptop has it's own onboard 2gb AMD RADEON dedcated graphics card but the software is deleted and set to MS driver which messes up my usual 1920 x 1080 resolution to 1280 × 720. WHY? So I have to reinstall the Radeon driver (which I keep in documents), my Realtek Audio manager is cripppled and so is Dolby. Reinstall. A major issue is with Office 2016 pro. Somehow it loses the license and also disables opening up certain docs. To overcome this I have to reinstall Office again. I have a registered Microsoft Account so this works ok, but takes 30 bloody valuable minutes out of my life. Also Bluetooth driver had to be reinstalled again. Also have to take Skype and Store out the taskbar! In addition it also deletes my shortcuts for Word and Excel icons from the taskbar. I use Irfanview and Photoshop CS as default viewers but after the update it defaults to MS Photos. I also use UWT4 and find it useful and a quick way to change options, like the stupid volume control slider, which I have to reset to the old one. Some of my clients also report losing their card reader driver but reinstalling works fine, but why are they being deleted/uninstalled in the first place? My wireless Canon printer has survived but previous HP kept losing wireless settings and I got fed up reinstalling drivers all the time. I expect to find other issues!! Irv, you are not alone my friend! You may find this of interest: www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
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Post by irvsp on Oct 19, 2017 16:34:19 GMT
Mike, I did indeed find MORE problems, we at least some annoyances... - Update seems to have set my USB drive to OPEN WHEN CONNECTED... good, but I've got an EXTERNAL drive, and that seems to be detected as being inserted somewhere in boot and it opens to the desktop at that was what the setting was. I do NOT believe I had that before though, but that drive is my backup drive and ALWAYS connected and powered externally. It never used to open before when booting? I don't use Flash drives or camera cards often, but I never recall them opening up to the desktop automatically but ASKING? I could be wrong and had the setting set to 'do nothing', but if I did, the Update changed it.
- New MAJOR pain, similar to you Office 2016 problem, but my 2007 version always does a 're-install' when trying to use Word, and Excel is broke too. I'm not alone, see www.tenforums.com/software-apps/95834-fall-creators-update-butchered-ms-office-2007-a.html and I'm trying to decide how to approach it? Those referenced instructions/link are old (but so is Office 2007) and there seems to be a few solutions. I may just uninstall and reinstall (I think I know where the CD's are) or go to a freeware Office instead. I'm not a heavy user of Office.
- Still have Audio problems. Can't locate a good fix. Problem is the Dell MaxxAudio, can't locate a good d/l for it? Looks like I have waves 1.8.1 though. I just can't adjust the volumes correctly for all the apps. Some are too loud, some too low, and some are both depending on what is being played? Found this, www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/waves-maxxaudio-pro-for-dell/9nb9srtl2kpt but when I open it is says 'Audio Driver is not up to date, please check Windows Update'? Next to try, www.tenforums.com/drivers-hardware/5993-latest-realtek-hd-audio-driver-version.html but I'm not even sure if this will work...
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Post by irvsp on Oct 19, 2017 16:36:13 GMT
I used OO's SHUTUP10 before. I got rid of it for some reason... I feel 'covered' by Norton's ISS (has McAfee Live Safe before) and Window's Defender insists on running as well.
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Post by irvsp on Oct 19, 2017 21:59:49 GMT
Mike, fixed Word 2007 using this CMD "reg add HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Office\12.0\Word\Options /v NoReReg /t REG_DWORD /d 1". Might work for yours if you put in the right Office #?
Excel, no fix for the file not found (other than a re-install I think?) Used the above CMD and changed Word to Excel, didn't help. The file, "stdole32.tlb" is on my PC. See this:
Directory of C:\Windows\System32
09/29/2017 09:41 AM 7,168 stdole32.tlb 1 File(s) 7,168 bytes Directory of C:\Windows.old\WINDOWS\System32
03/18/2017 04:57 PM 7,168 stdole32.tlb 1 File(s) 7,168 bytes
Same SIZE! WinDiff says they are the same as well? There are other copies around, but all are the same 2 timestamps. Not sure why it doesn't work, but you can dismiss the error message and it starts re-installing. The is 'another' fix floating around to stop the re-install too, there is a SETUP.EXE in a folder for OFFICE that if you rename will stop it too, but that one might be temporary because if the is a Windows Update for Office it will probably create a new SETUP.EXE and you might be in the same boat.
I not too worried over this one right now. I'm going to wait until my wife's PC gets the Update. If she had the same problem, I might try a reinstall. That works, I'll do it for her too. Doesn't? I think I'll consider Open Office or Libre Office? Those two seem to be the best PC based offerings. WPS might be the best though, but the 'free' version has adds.
Audio, partially solved. Seems to be working, but to be honest, I have NO CLUE what I did. I located at least 1/2 a dozen versions of the Realtek HD Audio files, from Dell, RealTek, and even some others like an MS repository. Got MaxxAudio back with Dell's logo on it. Some 'presets' can't be found it seems, but I can get around that.
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Post by Admin_Vistamike on Oct 20, 2017 13:36:42 GMT
I found running Office 2007 had no issues in general including Windows 10. It was when I upgraded to Office 2016 that I experienced problems. I had to upgrade to match client files in Word & Excel. My main PC (home built) is running Win 7 Ultimate and Office 2016 with no issues, just my laptop and the 2nd Acer PC running also 2016 pro.
You mention Open Office and Libre. Both open source but extremely capable of producing excellent documents compatible with MS. Having run Open Office that would be my preference (merely because the files created are read without issue in MS Office). It is a difficult situation for me because I work in files sent to me in 2016 and they must be edited in Office on a professional basis.
If you prefer Office 2007 (I have 2007 Enterprise which is 2007 pro plus but with VLK))(I do)I'd happily send you the installer and Enterprise VLK.
I'll message you for you address and send it asap!!
Mike
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Post by irvsp on Oct 20, 2017 15:27:44 GMT
If you prefer Office 2007 (I have 2007 Enterprise which is 2007 pro plus but with VLK))(I do)I'd happily send you the installer and Enterprise VLK. Mike Mike, thanks, but I located my CD's. It is the Home and Student Edition. All that I require. Still sort of confused over the errors on Word and Excel? Word I sort of understand. The Registry KEY addition tells me that in the Update MS probably removed and overwrote some Registry keys. Probably explains the 'settings' changes I've noticed, like the AUTOPLAY. I suspect The Excel stdole32.tlb problem might be a similar problem. Some file registration was damaged? The 'best' answer I could find was this: ========= Helper4you replied on Windows 10 installed Office 2007 and I had three issues: the Reconfiguration problem for Word. the reconfiguration problem for Excel, and the stdole32.tlb problem showing itself when excel would start. I tried many internet fixes, some worked on part of the problem. I did the Regedit to change hex decimal to 1 for Word, that worked for Word. I did the rename the setup file for Excel to "setup___disable" which stopped excel from doing the reconfiguration, but it did not solve the stdole32.tbl error. The solution for all three problems came from the following. It was uninstall all Office products. Apply a Microsoft fix, then reinstall the office 2007 on my Widows 10. Done, all three fixed! I pasted the instructions I followed. Steps to resolve this problem. 1. First uninstall all version of office ..Reboot system 2. Run these fixit support.microsoft.com/kb/928218support.microsoft.com/kb/2639197Reboot system. 3. Now run this fixit support.microsoft.com/mats/Program_Install_and_UninstallReboot and then install office 2007...restart. ===== In was basically the last entry in answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2007-office_install/stdole32tlb-file-missing/ba3e940d-d628-4334-ac89-5e8ac9878093 but it was dated 10/11/2017, before the Creator Fall Updates release? From that I glean a simple uninstall might not work. A lot of 'junk cleaners' must be run. All pre-date the Update too, so not sure it is relevant? I think I'll wait and see what happens to my wife's system. I've got Word working and that is the one I use the most so I do have time to 'worry' about this. Right now, sort of leaning on Open Office, it is more 'modern' that Office 2007, and basically I sort of feel that if MS broke something that caused the Office 2007 problem there might be other unseen problems I might discover in it. MS might just say it isn't supported possibly. I don't see any more web traffic on these problems though, so that seems 'odd' to me? Oops, looks like they did BEFORE the release of the Creator Update, venturebeat.com/2017/10/10/microsoft-ends-support-for-windows-10-november-update-and-office-2007/, might be time to get off Office 2007? Although they say it will still work, with possible 'vulnerabilities' that doesn't mean they will fix anything. I notice on the web reports of 'stuttering' and 'delays' in games prior to the official release from Insider's. No fix was tested but there was a claim about it being fixed in the official release. See www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/11/windows_10_stuttering_bugs/. I have a card game, SolSuite, that has a small problem when taking back moves. There is a noticeable delay in it happening now. Also on some apps I see a delay between what I type and what appears in the app. Firefox has that one some web pages occasionally even, but NOT all the time. Suspect the problem could be more to load than the OS, but I can't locate that. I'm on a 3.4Ghz Intel i7-4770, and that has plenty of power, rarely would it be under a heavy load unless I was doing Video processing. According to what I can determine some people still have this problem so I expect a later fix from MS.
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Post by irvsp on Oct 21, 2017 0:14:30 GMT
Hmm, Printer seems to have 'solved' itself... works fine and no more warnings?
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Post by Admin_Vistamike on Nov 3, 2017 14:53:33 GMT
Hi Irv,
I'm still getting 'minor' problems. After updates, MS keep defaulting to the Intel Graphics driver. I have to uninstall then re-install the Radeon driver, a bloody pain. All of a sudden my Canon printer is again displaying odd alerts when printing / scanning via wireless. 3 versions of the printer show. The Canon now 'does' switch on from sleep, but the alert says 'can't print to canon printer, check settings......then prints anyway!'
One thing I did last week was to come out of the Insider Preview program. Took a few days for lappy to settle down. Hey presto Paint 3D now works and the original Paint app exists after being told that it would be disabled. I thought Paint was a very useful quick editor.
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Post by irvsp on Nov 10, 2017 16:37:03 GMT
Mine seems to have 'stabilized' Don't know why? Printing problems are gone it seems?
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Post by irvsp on Nov 13, 2017 20:37:56 GMT
The 'noise' shall start here soon probably. My wife's W10 Pro PC had not updated to 1703 yet? Released slowly on 10/17 supposedly, and it didn't fail in the Installed Update List, so I just forced it on. Seems OK (to me) but I had to remove the darn arrows from all the desktop icons. UWT program does that in a blink. So far, all is will, but I'm sure she'll hit the printer and MS Office problems that appear to be common soon.
Meanwhile I've discovered I had TWO printers installed for the same All-In-One printer. One with all the functions, another with only the PRINT and SCAN functions... dumped the last one, we'll see what happens.
Just noticed my Dell MaxxAudio app wasn't on the systray. I can open it via the program list or drill down to it in Explorer but when I do that it also appears on the SYSTRAY, but it doesn't hold over the next boot. Advanced setting is set to have it on the SYSTRAY (it appears to be running from what the TASK MANAGER shows, which is the SERVICE)?
Finally gave up with Office 2007's quirk of re-installing every time I try to use it. Found some 'work-around' for Word, but nothing I saw for EXCEL worked. Did the only other solution offered up, uninstall/reinstall. That DID work. Then had to take in quite a few Office Updates. Hope it STAYS fixed!
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