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Post by raphoenix on Jan 20, 2016 0:52:54 GMT
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Post by irvsp on Jan 20, 2016 11:32:01 GMT
I don't totally agree with the premise in the article. First, I think the real reason it has garnered that many users is for a few reasons, and speed isn't one of them: - More devices have shipped with it installed than prior Windows versions.
- Free is a good thing. Especially if people are unhappy with W7 or W8.
- Is is NOT free of BSOD's. Although I've NEVER seen any, they get handled differently. I had a problem that something would not run. I was looking in the Event Viewer for reasons why. Found nothing. Then tried NirSoft's Blue Screen Viewer... lo and behold I had 4 dumps... but never saw the BSOD for them?
- Just like Apple people who will buy whatever is new and d/l the latest OS updates, there is a percentage of Windows users who will switch no matter what.
- Forced upgrades help balloon the numbers as well.
- Not sure if the article was US only or not? Devices do not equate into users. Many have multiple devices, some many multiples.
I can't draw any solid conclusions from that article?
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Post by irvsp on Jan 20, 2016 13:25:22 GMT
By the way 'fast' is relative. I've got 3 PC's here used by my wife and I and one the grandkids use. They are all Intel i7's, from the 900 series to the 4000 series. Newest is 2 1/2 years old, the oldest if 7 years old (I think?). The oldest one is the one the grandkids use. All 3 boot off of an SSD which comes into play here. Grandson just got a new Dell XPS 8900. Slightly faster CPU than my PC (3.6Ghz vs. 3.4), my wife's (3.2) and the one he uses here (3.0). Obviously the SSD gives the systems a different feel, but those are boot drives only, very few programs are on it and not much data. We also have 100Mbps internet service compared to 15Mbps he gets at home. He's into Steam games and raves about the play-ability on even our slowest PC. Also annoyed that that slowest PC gets better marks at SYSTEMREQUIREMENTSLAB.COM gets better marks for Fallout 4 than his new PC. Main reason being all 3 PC's here have hardly any less capability for the game then his latest Intel i7 CPU... lowest CPU score here is 96% vs. his 100%. His graphics card however hits only 50% whereas the oldest PC is 75% (video card is 3 years old on that one and is 2GB whereas he has 1GB of video ram). Of course he does want me to trade video cards with his So 'speed' is relative. What is fast to someone is fast until they see something faster. Everyone who has seen a PC boot from an SSD sees this speed and that colors one as far as overall speed goes. New PC's compared to old one will also seem fast. They do degrade over time but it is so gradual people don't notice it. Same goes for a new Windows version (usually) especially if you are unhappy with the old version. Another reason I didn't buy the 'speed' supposition put forward.
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Post by GuiltySpark on Jan 20, 2016 13:42:50 GMT
I'm glad you pointed out the 'Forced Upgrade' irvsp as it would seem too many blogs and general posts on sites conveniently (it would seem) either forget or just aren't registering it. Much like the Browser wars where MS state that IE11 is the most used / downloaded browser and then FFox say they are etc the differebce being MS is pretty much in control of what gets updated on their system.
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Post by raphoenix on Jan 20, 2016 23:00:02 GMT
GuiltySpark
irvsp
Interesting discussion for sure; that's why I post such articles.
The one thing I don't see on this board are folks making New Builds.
It's really hard to discuss or compare computers and systems if no one is making Custom Builds with the latest hardware.
After I'm finished with a health issue in February, I plan on making a Super Build when Intel releases more good stuff on the road map.
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Post by irvsp on Jan 20, 2016 23:42:37 GMT
GuiltySpark
irvsp
Interesting discussion for sure; that's why I post such articles.
The one thing I don't see on this board are folks making New Builds.
It really hard to discuss or compare computers and systems if no one is making Custom Builds with the latest hardware.
After I'm finished with a health issue in February, I plan on making a Super Build when Intel releases more good stuff on the road map.
I for one gave up building many moons ago. Yes, I did spec the system out and got the parts I wanted. Basically at a small premium to what it would cost in the store for a top-of-the-line model. However, no matter what you think, Michael Dell killed that market. Don't forget I was living in Austin at that time (late '90's) and close to Dell's campus. Austin had many many small computer shops that would even 'build' it for you. You specify the parts, they gave you a price and the price included labor, testing, installing specified s/w, AND a warranty of at least 6 months (you could get longer). The last time I went to build I used one of those places. I had searched the limited web at that time and had prices for all the h/w I wanted. I went to 2 stores, one was only $100 more including a 2 year warranty. The other was cheaper for the same system and warranty. Only problem they had a long lead time so I went with the more expensive one. Lucky for me the store stayed in business as the motherboard died just before the 2 years were up. Replaced and tested without a hassle. Dell however had a model, since adapted by IBM, HP, Sony, and others. Almost ALL parts, CPU, Video card, hard drives, etc. you could specify. Most were the latest available. Another thing of now vs. then (pre-Dell build to order basically). 'Then' it was hard to get anything with the latest h/w. Model were pre-configured and didn't change often. Only changed when parts were exhausted or couldn't be gotten anymore. Changed when the performance fell behind competitors as well. 'Now' almost anything you buy is going to do what you want. Want super game performance, go to a 'boutique' build, even Dell snapped up Alien. Almost any computer, even those you'll find in the big box stores will perform well if you know what you want and are willing to pay for it. Lastly, ANYTHING you build will be outdated within months if not weeks. Just like OS's should be the vehicle to do what you want, not be the end alternative, so does building and/or buying. It is the APPS, not the OS or the speed of the machine. At least in my case. All I want is something that will do what I want with reasonable performance. I can buy 'what I want' today in a lot of places, why build, unless that is what you get enjoyment out of. In that case, go for it. I'm done with getting the fastest and best to show off. I will benchmark to see what I have, but the 'feel' of the computer is more important to me than the spec's so to speak. I'm probably not alone feeling like this either. I have in the recent past and will in the future too probably replace a part that is holding me back. I've got no qualms doing that. Only drawback from almost any mfgr's built system IS the motherboard usually. Not standard with regards to the backplane and some motherboard sockets, especially for the power supply. Makes it hard to replace that or upgrade CPU's. Oh well, it is an excuse for a new PC. Just my $0.02 (USD) worth on this subject...
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Post by raphoenix on Jan 21, 2016 0:13:30 GMT
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Post by irvsp on Jan 21, 2016 0:18:07 GMT
Well that is more to force builders to BUY a version of W10. Not migrate over W8 or lower by decommissioning an older PC and transferring the OS to the new build I think one could also 'derive' out of this MS can 'break' something 'by accident' on those processors
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Post by raphoenix on Jan 21, 2016 20:48:00 GMT
ivsp
If you take any install.esd file AND turn it into install.wim, you can load as many computers as you want with that file.
NOT a big issue for us MS Insiders on the Fast Ring Program. (nothing to buy except for new hardware)
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Post by raphoenix on Jan 28, 2016 13:31:55 GMT
MS New Windows 10 Build Published.
Second New Release in 7 days.
Need to be using this one.
Click on image to enlarge.
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